Mary Wiseman has established herself as a talented actor on Star Trek: Discovery. Good for Mary! I let go of my preconceptions about what star trek is. She is a real girl. In season one and early season two, I was finding it credible as a case of someone who had unresolved PTSD and was unmoored from the culture that had encouraged her to supress her trauma. The episode, titled "All Is Possible,". Shes one of the shows most divisive characters. They made an insensitive statement about her body and called her a promoter of an unhealthy lifestyle. Other ships having counselors in the TNG era was mentioned. But then again Im not a troll. The reason why Troi was on the bridge all the timewas that she was a betazoid. If we dont have tolerance and respect, how are we able to learn and improve humanity!? Would a woman watching this aspire to be a Tilly or aspire to be a Dax, Kira or Janeway? It was a novelty in his first story and they turned it on its head when he got zapped and made super-smart, but most of the time hes very trying, especially when he gets thrown onto Voyager. But it would seem to me that it might ought to be standard practice to have a Betazed on the bridge on all starships if those stills were so needed. And honestlyKirk wouldnt last a week in a military environment. New episodes of Star Trek: Discovery premiere on Thursdays on CBS All Access in the U.S. and on CTV Sci-Fi Channel in Canada, where it's also available to stream on Crave. The show had its official opening on Monday, March 21st, and is currently set to run through April 24. She is absolutely beautiful just as she is. She hasnt mentored anyone except in one episode. Samarkand? The Enterprise D was the only place we saw a councelor. Given all the trouble the crew got into, Im sure they needed one on the ship. Mary Wiseman is a good actress but even with that, if Star Trek Discovery was shot in 80s or 90s producers would probably force her to go on a diet or even fire her. New episodes ofStarTrek: Discoverypremiere on Thursdays onCBS All Accessin the U.S. andonCTV Sci-Fi Channelin Canada, where its also available to stream onCrave. She doesnt inspire confidence. MS Wiseman owns the sadistic Bitch Capt Killy like she does Tilly. And another way to look at it: at least its not another hour of tv taken by a reality show, right? I would imagine those who liked Barclay probably include a large portion of those who like Tilly. Its gotten very stale now. Ill never forget when I, a woman of 160# at 58, healthy, deemed fit by military and bodyfat percentage indexes, approached the Credit Union one day, when the guy at the ATM finished his transaction, turned, saw me, and yelled Hey, fatass!. Understanding? To be clear, my opinion on a show has no bearing on how it helped you at a terrible time in your life. Im not counting on it. And yeah the Full Circle stories do sound a bit depressing especially since SPOILER ALERT they kill off Janeway in them! Right! Now if it turns out, Burnham was being influenced by an alien entity or she has been given insight into the future which made it imperative that she rush Tilly into becoming the Number One, then I can accept it. And over the last couple of years, so have I. Im still not fond of the gory, violent Klingon business of the first couple of seasons, but I slowly began to see DISCO anew. The moment they decided to incorporate a new character with basically the same characteristics (a young, socially awkward, but very smart ensign) they ruined Tilly. Took time to reset the franchise. Barclays ticks do get really annoying. I did, though. Michelle Yeoh, considerably smaller in physical stature, probably weighs around 90# [because she is allll muscle]. 89. Can Picard go round the sun once more and rescue Saru from Discovery? I originally was skeptical but then I turned around in season 1 and really started enjoying it. That being said, knowing what weight restrictions there are for men and women serving avoid combat ships in todays Navy, my bet would be she would need to lose some weight to preserve her shipboard assignment in todays real-world Navy. No character like her would ever have graduated Starfleet. I hope were able to explore it because theres potential for great levity, but then also really important conversations to be had because when you care about someone you dont want to see them go through pain, and I can see completely how Tilly will be very protective of Michael Burnham. Every Thursday night I yell Black Alert to let everyone know Im watching Star Trek. I agree 100%. I think others that make such claims are having their own feel feels hurt or nostalgia rattled. Just blows my mind. Its a tricky one, as someone who is outside America and didnt have English as the first language growing up its more noticeable. Tilly got fat, that is inexcusable. Unfortunately PICARD turned out to be set in the same period, so it derailed my plans, although later I did figure out a way to explain the considerable differences in the Prime Universe. What? Thats not good writing, its oandering fan fiction, Starfleet is not military. My best advice is to give some of the Litverse books a try and decide for yourself which writers appeal to you. Sylvia Tilly was an ambitious female Human Starfleet officer who lived during the mid- 23rd century. If you read what Mary and Sonequa are saying, they arent promoting any particular body style or fitness choice, just that they are as they are and only they have the right to choose how that should be. If there had been a believable logical progression from Cadet Tilly in season 1 to Starfleet Academy instructor in season 4, where they had built up the character to where she shed bits and pieces of the awkwardness as she became more confident in her abilities. And to be honest, she never really helped him out all that much. Im relieved to say I have no idea how that feels, and its something I cant even stomach thinking about, frankly. You two are Michaels boyfriend and best friend, so does Michael becoming captain create any new tension in season four? The following contains spoilers from Star Trek: Discovery's Season 4 finale. It took me 3 seasons just to remember all their names. And, yeah, I've also heard a rumor about a potential Starfleet Academy series, and I'm assuming it's being set in the future setting of Discovery. Wasnt it Saru who made Tilly the First Officer? Although it is true that on *average*, overweight people are less healthy than other people, it is also entirely possible to be overweight and healthy. Mary Wiseman is a beautiful lady as is Sonequa Martin-Green. Happy to have your wit, enthusiasm, & talent as part of the franchise. Keep up with theStar Trek Universe at TrekMovie.com. This is rare case were I actually agree with Lorma. Jack perhaps you were at the Dave Chappelle protest screaming Judas, you are starting to sound like the type who gets sensitive over everything. In season three Tilly was first officer and then acting captain; how does all of that affect who she is in season four? Because Book is someone who doesnt just have cerebral, intellectual intelligence. I see other people mentioning the books on Reddit and Youtube because of the new show obviously. So smart in the Starfleet tradition. Yes, she was a therapist that say patients in her office but her betazoid abilities aided Picard. The only writers they need are people who can polish it up enough so that you cant tell its machine-written. In fact, at least on this website, I often see the contrary. Too nervous and anxious. I just hope now that she has been made captain, all her baggage will be finally gone. Where I live people compete on the merits. Where I live people compete on the merits and are proud of their professional or intellectual achievements not their bad habits, bad health or even born with attributes such as divergent sexual orientation that they had no influence over whatsoever. I LOVE the future! DS9 Avatar books 1 and 2 were quite good and helpfully kicked off the DS9 Relaunch sequence. For people who dont know, it had to do with Voyager leading a fleet of ships going back to the Delta Quadrant a few years after Voyager arrived home. But its the elephant we have in the room, these days. The Trek Collective has a flowchart for the Litverse which is helpful. ;). Yes, The Expanse. They just didnt do much with him. Obesity and overweight are associated with health chronic issues by definition. Fan favourite is a bit of a stretch..quite possibly the most irritating character in Trek history There are a number of places you can receive professional help and I strongly recommend you seek that help. But was it not made pretty clear that Counselors had become a regular thing on command crews in the TNG era? Mary Wiseman Net Worth The net worth of Mary Wiseman has been estimated at $1 million. Finally, Starfleet isn't a military organisation or an army. She seems to be a lovely human being and all that in real life but her acting is not the best. Its been sooo inconsistent from day one. Anyway it was just a thought. This show has been for a niche of Trek fandom not the mainstream. It is also available on Netflix in 190 countries around the world. I keep hearing the word heartthats the poorest excuse yet. Theyve written Tilly as just the straight oh theres Tilly for the jokes. Sonequa Martin-Green in Unification III, Co-showrunner Michelle Paradise shared some behind-the-scenes photos from Terra Firma, Part 2.. STAR TREK and its various marks are trademarks of CBS Studios Inc. 2023 CBS Studios Inc./Paramount Pictures Corp. 2006-2023 SciFanatic Network | Legal/Privacy Info, Copyright 2023 | MH Newsdesk by MH Themes, Podcast: All Access Dives Into The Latest Episode Of Picard And Probes Star Treks TV (And Movie) Future, BREAKING: Star Trek: Discovery To Conclude With Season 5, Review: Star Trek: Picard Runs Deep In Seventeen Seconds, Watch Picard And Riker Reverse Their Classic Roles In Star Trek: Picard Episode 303 Clip, J.J. Abrams Talks Compelling Story For Star Trek 4; Chris Pine Expresses Frustration Over Wait, I hope Mary Wiseman is okay or has a good reason for her weight gain since S1. I have only heard of the details a few months ago thanks to a video that TrekCentral (amazing YouTube channel) made about it for Prodigy theorizing a connection. They told us and a handful of other outlets what to expect for their characters and more. There really are some of the DS9 authors that are stronger and some that tend to tell too much and show to little in their writing in my view. You know, like a psychotic murderer? Also, quite likely theyre pointing her towards a bigger role in their upcoming Academy show, when she does want the work of tv again. The fourth episode of the new season of Star Trek: Discovery ("All is Possible") arrived this morning and it has fans buzzing about Lt. Sylvia Tilly. This is a part of the reason people cant take to them, alongside their poorly written characters. As someone with severe and sometimes crippling anxiety whos managed to have a pretty successful high-pressure career, I question your assertion that she never would have graduated Starfleet., You clearly never served in a military environment. By existing? And I just really love having Janeway back. Han Van Sciver and Mary Wiseman in At the Wedding (Photo: Marc J. Franklin), Watch Wiseman and cast and crew talk about the season four finale. I read somewhere that Gates McFadden and Marina Sirtis had somewhere in their contract a stipulation that they had to fit into their costumes. I dont love her the way I love Saru or Pike, or Janeway or Seven or Picard or Spock. And I felt that was ridiculous. Im sorry I can sugarcoat it. Just when it looks like the character has finally grown as a person and doing her own thing, comes right back. Like damn the guy's 90 ffs give him a break. I think that in a world thats so repressed and violent, violence becomes these peoples only outlet for pleasure and release. It seems like people like her say: this is me. And I just let the writers take me on a journey. I see those things and they hurt me because Im a person. She went away and supposedly became an amazing well rounded person. That was always the theory I had for Barclay. Regarding fans, tons of them love Tilly. Personally I would put Barclay and Trois Mom in that group too, but not sure recurring characters belong with regulars in this race. Like a lot of people, she pivoted and found herself in a new role as teacher. The accent is too colloquial. She could of made it what we call General American/mid-Atlantic to neutralize it a little. And yeah, some of us are coach potatoes, most of us certainly not gold cut supermodels. I think that she is one of the go-to people when there is hard science stuff to crack. To even suggest that is stupidity writ large. However, I do struggle with popular media normalizing unhealthy weights whether over or underweight because they are health risks. And others opinions dont factor in. A statistical average does not justify shaming or ridiculing anyone. I think the character would have been much better served if Tillys quirks were something that changed as the character grew over the seasons. So I think we pick up with her after some time has passed since the events of that season, but shes still sort of not really sure what to make of it, and everything that used to be really comfortable isnt sitting as comfortably as it used to if that makes sense. That will be the one I read first! Thanks for the heads up about Beyer and the Voyager books. He was competing in show jumping events with his horses until at least his 70s. It is one thing to be healthy and quite another to be reed-thin and healthy. ;). Do you see that tension? I understand the actress is very well-respected and a nice person, but I couldnt stand the Tilly character myself. But my point was that she rarely conveyed anything useful or something that was not already obvious to all. All you ever do on this board is show up and attack womxn for being womxn, LBGTQ+ for being LBGTQ+, people of color for being people of color. Such use is more overt in DISCO, but it is by no means out of the ordinary. David Ajala: I would be very dangerous. And saying they should be sending this message is just another way to try to bully someone into doing what you want, not what that person wants for their self. I keep saying this but its a great time to be a Star Trek fan again! Cant believe some fans complain about character A or B or C. I am sorry, but the obsessive complaining about Sonequa/Michael or Mary/Tilly, for who they are, is so rude. That however does nothing to mitigate the way Burnham has been written to be unforgivably self-absorbed throughout many of the key moments of the series. Remember , they had steroids and thyroid problems in the 80's, but the majority of people were off normal weight, which today would be called skinny. Ichebs torture on Picard was horrible and the eating ganglia in S1, yikes! Actress Mary Wiseman did a series of media . Mary shouldnt listen to the haters and Sonequa, I never noticed she looked any different than she did before, body wise. Well said, Edward. Btw have you come across any good DS9 books about what happened to Sisko or the rest of the crew after the finale? Oh, I think its fine they had a counselor on the SHIP; I just think its weird they had her on the BRIDGE. Patrick Kwok-Choon is the only one of the bridge officers that doesnt have another regular acting or producer/director role. For your own good, please seek help. Try the Daily Mail for 5 minutes. Plus, TNG literally had a therapist as part of the bridge crew. I like her personality though, mostly. . Im sorry youve had to experience that and I strongly urge you to take what comfort you can from whatever source you can, regardless of how other people feel about that source. None of us are and its okay. That promise was fulfilled in last weeks season finale, and Wiseman is talking about her return. Its so brutal. Yeah, self absorbed is an excellent way to describe her character, Id never thought of it that way. But respect is always earned and never enforceable. As an actor of 20 years myself I can say for SMG that her acting ability is affected by her accent and delivery due to her accent . Where is this? Why do you think being nervous or anxious means that you can not graduate from the academy? Every character aboard that ship represents a minority. 71 comments so far. That was why she was never in uniform the first few seasons. Its 2020 and were taking any more of your sh!t. In every real-life Trekkie community Im a part of, as well as most online, shes loved. Yet, she is. As long as the stories remain laser-focused on the *people* their *relationships* and the *emotions* generated therein, instead of ships, gadgets, and effects, well be fine. I hope Mary Wiseman is okay or has a good reason for her weight gain since S1. I hate the body shaming of actresses Theres recently was yet another fanboy arse-hat bloger who on their twitter account made an unkind comment about Mary/Tilly regarding her weight. Mary Wiseman (born July 30, 1985) is an American actress. Ive seen fan-fics with better characters than this. :-), What, you mean you dont follow your patients around at work, giving suggestions? (Hey, Im likely one of the oldest people here, and its too easy/lazy to remain stuck in the 1960s and 70s! You mentioned that the rest of world laughs at America because of obesity. Obviously I dont know what M. Wiseman is like. And CBS posted some images of Emperor Georgious quarters on the ISS Discovery. Mary Wiseman said in an interview after her departing episode that she'd be back before the end of the season. This sounds kind of racist. If anything is being celebrated, or, at the very least, encouraged, its simple human decency and not judging people by physical attributes alone. So when Tilly became a teacher I was like, freaky coincidence but perfect!). Star Trek: Discoverystreams exclusively onParamount+in the U.S. These are not well-written or well-acted characters, and they weaken the series every time they show up. Too nervous and anxious. The writers may love the character, but they also appreciate that the actor is a real person who might want variety in their career. I wasnt complaining there were therapists on board. You cant be a Star Trek fan and also be a racist or a body shamer. Harry wasnt annoying. They have solved some of these issues the easy way by talking themselves out of it (Klingon hair, holograms, Ariam being no android at all), now that we are in the future none of it really matters anymore. Then that very well could be something for not just women but everyone to aspire towards. We love that someone who isnt super fit was cast, especially that its a woman. Shes magnetic. )Granted, I think the special effects, space battles, bizarre technology and explosions are the proverbial tail wagging the dog, but thats always been the case, and is increasingly expected in these post-Star Wars, high tech decades. I mean, there could have been but it was never seen or talked about. 108 comments so far. It always cracks me up when people say that they hate Tilly. It has also been speculated that Wiseman may be moving over to the proposed Starfleet Academy show openly discussed by Alex Kurtzman and Paramount+ execs but not yet officially ordered as a series. By indicating that shes not ashamed of her body? Im proud to see that shes proud of herself. In the season four finale Coming Home, Mary Wiseman returned as Lt. Tilly, now a Starfleet Academy leader working with cadets and Admiral Vance to coordinate the evacuation and defense of Earth on Federation HQ. Good points. However, with the successive changes in show runners the coherence of Burnhams development has been lost. Hopefully its . In her interview with TrekMovie last week, Discovery co-showrunner Michelle Paradise echoed these sentiments: Well never be done with Tilly. They should have tried to make Tilly more credible first. So, although he does the occasional guest star role in other shows produced in Canada, he could take on a larger role on Discovery. All Access Star Trek Podcast, Discovery, DS9, Lower Decks, Section 31, Star Trek 4, Star Trek: Picard, Star Trek: Prodigy, Strange New Worlds. I gave this dumpster fire of far left propaganda 4 seasons. Tilly looks great and her weight is a not a issue. Since season one, Tilly (Mary Wiseman). In large part that is down to getting set in my ways with this franchise, so I have to temper my critiques with that knowledge. Troi made explicit the evil intent lies we tell each other and ourselves to gain selfish material and political advantage. But the characters are pitch perfect. And the only family she has is on that ship. I basically just know the books that gets discussed or reviewed here. The burden is now on SNWThat show can either make or break it with regards to these issues. Thats not a leader. Episodes will be available on Fridays internationally on Netflix. She is most recognized for her roles in the science fiction drama series Star Trek: Discovery on Paramount+, where she first played Cadet, then Ensign, and finally . Make it make sense! If I was a public figure I would do zero social media, ignore the internet, cash my massive paychecks, sign autographs for real in-person fans I meet, and be so thankful Im not working in a grunt job making minimum wage. I dont believe any of the other series had a therapist on the bridge. Yes I forgot David Mack is a consultant on this show too and is well aware of all the post-Nemesis stories in the novels. I believe we can thank Mack for helping the Showrunners and writers identify species that would work in Prodigy and for some deep cuts. Imo, this show tries so overly hard to be socially progressive, its the very thing that makes it a turn-off. The ships shrink should not be a Command level position and in fact would make sense to be on the CMOs staff. The audience is growing due to our amazing loyalty, but I give them credit toobecause Discovery, we have all these new shows. Just a heads up (even more way off topic), for those who liked SG , IMO the Atlantis book Legacy series was quite good, telling the story of what happened after the finale. In fact now I think of it, Book aside everyone has an American accent. It means something to me. After they wrote her to be the most annoying person possible. Mary Wiseman claims that she wants to inspire all the curvy women around the world with her Star Trek weight gain story. She is full of self doubt, guilt, and anxiety, yet she doesnt quit. TrekMovie.com is not endorsed, sponsored or affiliated with CBS Studios Inc., Paramount Pictures Corp. or the Star Trek franchise. And now, with only three years under her belt in the field, only two of which were as a ranked officer, they think shes somehow ready to train the next generation of recruits?! I think theres room for it. Sigh all you like, but thats not going to magically make physics and biology work differently. The character. I like me. You are correct, it comes down to the same thing, poor plot development. She let go in S4 of her parents expectations and embraced a new purpose. Mary Wiseman and David Ajala with their co-stars Wilson Cruz, Sonequa Martin-Green, Blu del Barrio, and Anthony Rapp at NYCC 2021, (Trailer also available for international viewers onInstagramandstartrek.com). Most of what she did was convey the amazingly obvious like offering such useful insights such as, Hes concealing something but I dont know what. And her abilities were never fully defined. The actors are not slaves to the fans or public opinion. Discovery may have just said goodbye to one of its crew, but don't worry: She'll be back. And we saw the results of all that. I have considered it and rejected it. I like Tilly but shes not my favourite character. IMHO, if she usually eats well, trains and commits to staying healthy, then life can be a lot of fun leading an active adventurous life while still enjoying food and fine dining and it is irrelevant what people say about her looks. Shes a little overweighed, so what? And Tilly is the Trekkie. 1:15. KevinB: I let go of my preconceptions about what star trek is.. Ive read plenty of well-deserved criticism of the writing but to my knowledge, there has been no widespread criticism of STD acting or physical appearances. While not getting specific about if or where we will see Tilly again, Wiseman also hinted the finale was not the end of her story: Tilly is not somebody who lets people leave her life. Shes changed. PS. https://t.co/zV56ClHoUZ, Kate Mulgrew (@TheKateMulgrew) December 18, 2020. Ive finally had the chance to reply to your comment about Lue Elizondo etc on the other thread. I am a therapist in real life, and even *I* think it was crazy that they had a therapist on the bridge. She's interviewed several Star Trek . Heaven forefend women feel good about themselves! During the 1st season, Michael helped Tilly to gain confidence and then continued to nurture that confidence through . Episodes will be. You misunderstood. They should all try for the standards of randos on the internet like you I even got a t-shirt that says DISCO on it, which prompts inquiries about my musical tastes of past decades when I was a twenty-something, lol. No probably not. Even though he is one of the worst characters in Trek, he was the main focus in arguably the best episode of Voyager: Timeless. Its a problem in even some least developed countries now. Shes only competent because of her character shield, shes mentally and emotionally immature, out of shape for the job shes in and the role she wanted to perform, and would barely survive in a high school, let alone in any capacity at an actual Starfleet. You mean that I can find myself a BBW in the 32nd Century? Let's get into the details of the actress's weight gain, which has also been linked to her pregnancy. By the way, could of isnt English. That sort of thing contributes to some pretty hardcore dysmorphia sure, they are famous and have luxuries and money so many of us dont, but hearing stories like how Carrie Fisher was told she should lose weight to be able to reprise Leia, or how Kumail Nanjani is scarily fixated on his physical appearance now is sad. I dont understand this at all. When all evidence points to her character not being loved or even liked (the actress is fine; shes been poorly handled by the writers (Michelle Paradise). Wiseman had other things to do. Mary Wiseman: Well what is like the same root of Book but like the polar opposite expression of it? In this week's episode of Star Trek: Discovery season four, we saw Tilly leaving her crew and heading to the academy in order to foster young minds. But I really do like Book a lot! Mary Wiseman: I wish there maybe in the future theres room for some protective best friend/boyfriend energy. I'm finding Star Trek Discovery to be incredibly dull and childish. GD, what shoes is David wearing in those pics? Tillys journey has helped me over the last few years. So it has been hard, and its really hard to avoid, because it pops up on all the [social media] accounts, or people comment on my posts with cruel, unscientific comments. DSC had many issues at the beginning. Respectfully, to anyone somehow offended by that. ..I have a total girl crush. Make better choices. As a Black girl, I felt I was supposed to look this way. But dont those characteristics fit better on a younger character, while the older one grows up and changes? There have been moments where they tried to do that, but like everything else on Discovery where self-doubt and emotional scenes of worry in darkly-lit rooms need to be front and center, they always seemed to bring Tilly back to spazzing out because she was nervous about whether she can do it before being put on a mission. Everybody loves is an idiom, it should never be taken as a strict statement. I keep reading that no character like hers should not be in starfleet, yet she is. Shes loved. Sometimes it worked over amazing distances other times not. #StarTrekDiscovery #MirrorLandry pic.twitter.com/Ed0nbToiQH, Rekha the leaves (@TheRekhaSharma) December 19, 2020. I like the way you think! Lets stick with the science and not target individuals. So when very capable people feel un-capable, crazy things happen. The last novel just came out last year (where does she find the time lol). Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. Nice girl but still jostling with Burnham as the most annoying character on the show. Barclay was another unrealistic character that never shouldve made it in to Starfleet. That finale appearance was basically a cameo. Yes but Star Trek shouldnt be about lazy writing, poor character development and bad storytelling.
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